Alberda De Lisoures

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Aubrey de LISOURS died after 1194. ROBERT FITZ EUSTACE (son of EUSTACE FITZ JOHN and Agnes (w of Eustace) ---) died in 1163. "Robert fitz Eustace (ob. 1163) (1) Aubrey de Lisours (ob. post 1194) = (2) William de Clairfait = (3) William fitz Godric"
--- W E Wightman, *The Lacy Family in England and Normandy, 1066-1194*,
genealogical chart following p 260. Aubrey de LISOURS and ROBERT FITZ EUSTACE had the following children:
+18 i. John (2) of CHESTER.

Alberda married Richard Fitzeustace Baron Halton in 1150. Richard (son of Eustace Fitzjohn Lord Alnwick & Malton and Agnes Fitznigell, De Halton) was born about 1128 in Holton, Yorkshire, England; died between 1157 and 1163. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

1. John De Lacy, Constable Of Chester was born in 1150 in Lincoln, Lincolnshire, England; died on 11 Oct 1190 in Palestine.

Robert married Alberda (Aubrey) De Lacy. Alberda (daughter of Robert De Lacy Lord Pontefract and Maud De Perche) was born in 1097 in Pontrefact, Yorkshire, England; and died. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Other Events and Attributes:

• Fact 1: Founded & Built Cluniac Priory Of St. John, Pontrefract.; Fact 1
• Fact 2: Built Lacy Castle At Clitheroe.; Fact 2
• Fact 3: Banished From His English Estates Abt 1114, But Kept Those In Normandy.; Fact 3

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--- W E Wightman, *The Lacy Family in England and Normandy, 1066-1194*,
genealogical chart following p 260. Besides the three children Aubrey, Ilbert II and Henry I entered here, Wightman has "Robert (o.s.p.)" and "a knight (ob. 1138)", of whome he says "These two may be one and the same person", and also "Jordan (ob. ante 1166)".

From same, p 59: "Robert I succeeded his father Ilbert as head of the family,
probably between 1091 and 1100. Almost as little is known about his career as
about that of his father. The date of his birth cannot even be guessed, and the
date of his death is uncertain. He was alive during the time of Thomas II,
archbishop of York (1108-13). He was dead by 1129, when Robert de Lisours paid L12. 9s. 4d. for permission to marry Robert de Lacy's daughter Aubrey. ...
Robert's wife was called Matilda. She surviived into Stephens's reign, and
perhaps even until 1155. They had three sons whose existence can be proved, as well as a daugher, Aubrey. Ilbert II suceeded Robert I, and Henry
succeeded Ilbert when the latter died apparently childless. A third unnamed
son was killed at the battle of the Standard, 22 August 1138, and was the
only Anglo-Norman knight killed. Robert also had a son of his own name."

From same, p 60, 61, 63: "Robert I was the first member of the family to found a monastery of his own. ..... Robert I was responsible for the foundation of the Cluniac priory of St. John, Pontefract, at some time during the reign of William I. Robert I seems to have been an energetic founder and builder, for in addition to his ecclesiastical foundations he was probably responsible for the building of the Lacy castle at Clitheroe. There is no real evidence whatever for the suggestion sometimes advanced that Roger of Poitou built it."

From same, p 66, 67, 68, 72: "Round about 1114 Robert I was banished from his English estates, though apparently not from those in Normandy, since his son was still in possession of his share of the lands there in 1133. The honour was granted to Hugh de Laval not later than 1118 ..... Although there is no
evidence to connect him with England before he received Pontefract, Hugh
seems to have regarded himself as the heir of the Lacy family and to have
behaved much like any ordinary tenant-in-chief, unlike his immediate successor [William] Maltravers. ..... Maltravers was nothing more than an
efficient lay administrator and financier who had risen in the service of the king in much the same way as Payn fitz John in the West Midlands. Payn was, however, a member of the lesser nobility; of Maltravers's origin nothing is known. He owed his position entirely to his abilities and to the king's recognition of them, to such an extent that by 1130 he had become a man of considerable substance. ..... The manner of his death has long been
known, since the tale was told by Richard of Hexham. As soon as Henry I was
dead, Maltravers was killed by a knight of the honour, and the way was open
for the return to Pontefract of Ilbert II de Lacy. As an upstart who took no interest in the affairs of his barony save for what he could extract to recoup the sums he had paid for it, Maltravers must have incurred the dislike of established honorial barons like William Foliot and Roger Peitevin. They were the men who would suffer in pociket from his demands, and who would despise a man who could not be regarded as their lord and leader in the same way as a genuine member of the baronage."

Robert married Maud De Perche. Maud was born in 1074 in Pontrefact, England; died in 1155. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Other Events and Attributes:

• Fact 1: With William The Conqueror. Followed His Norman Overlord Into England Abt 1066.; Fact 1
• Fact 2: Built Large Estates In The South Half Of The West Riding, Yorkshire.; Fact 2
• Fact 3: Held Estates As Tenant-In-Chief Direct Of The King.; Fact 3
• Fact 4: Also Had Land In Lincoln, Nottingham, Buckingham, Oxford, Berkshire, And Surrey.; Fact 4
• Fact 5: Military Importance Of This Stretch Of Territory Was Enormous.; Fact 5
• Fact 6: Participation At The Battle Of Hastings Can Not Be Proved.; Fact 6
• Fact 7: Enfeoffed As A Tenant Of Bishop Odo (William's Brother) Soon After 1066.; Fact 7
• Name: Ilbert De Lacy De Pontefract

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W E Wightman, *The Lacy Family in England and Normandy, 1066-1194*,
genealogical chart following p 260.

From same, p 17, 19: "The honour of Pontefract is the name later given to the
estates built up by the Lacy family, mainly by Ilbert I under the first two Norman kings. In 1086 the bulk of these estates were already to be found in
the south half of the West Riding of Yorkshire, held by Ilbert I as tenant-in-chief direct of the king, though there was also an appreciable quantity of land scattered over the counties of Lincoln, Nottingham, Buckingham, Oxford, counties of Lincoln, Nottingham, Buckingham, Oxford, Berkshire, and Surrey. ..... The military importance of this stretch of territory was enormous."

From same, p 55: "The first holder of the honour of Pontefract was Ilbert I
de Lacy, brother of the first lord of the honour of Weobley, Walter I. Proof of their relationship comes from their estate in NOrmandy. This single holding was held jointly by the descendants of Ilbert I and Walter I by the Norman tenure of parage, under which land was divided amongst the sons and daughters whilst at the same time remaining a single fee. Had it not been originally a family holding this tenure would not have applied, and the details of the dissolution of the joint fee show that the family link must have been via Ilbert and Walter as sons of the same father. The senior branch of the family was probably that of Ilbert of Pontefract. He followed
his Norman overlord into England, whereas Walter arrived in the train of
William fitz Osbern, much as a younger son might do. In all probability the
younger brother would have no obligation to follow his liege lord outside
Normandy and thus might choose to attach himself to the most convenient
leader he could find. An additional piece of evidence comes from the grant
of twenty- two acres of land at Montmain to the nunnery of St. Amand by
Emma, the mother of Ilbert de Lacy. She was categorically described as
Ilbert's mother, to distinguish her from the abbess of St. Amand, whose name
was also Emma. This implies either that Ilbert was the more important of
the two brothers in Normandy, and under the rules of tenure by parage
therefore the elder, or else that Walter was not Emma's son, but a cousin.
As this would have been impossible, in view of the later descent of the fee,
it is most likely that Ilbert was the elder. Little is known about either
of the brothers. They were not, for example, amongst the favoured few whose
participation at the battle of Hastings can be proved. Ilbert I was
probably born not later than 1045, though this is little more than a guess
based on the likely assumption that he came over in 1066, and was enfeoffed
as a tenant of Bishop Odo soon afterward. He was still alive shortly after
Odo's banishment on 14 November 1088. It is possible that he was alive in
or soon after 1091, but he was undoubtedly dead by the end of the reign of
Rufus, for by that time he had been succeeded by his son Robert I. Little
more is known about his family. His wife's name was Hawise, and that is the
total extent of information about her."

From same, p 58: "It has been frequently stated that the abbot of Selby from
1096/7 to 1122/3 was Hugh de Lacy, son of Ilbert I. ..... There is no medieval
evidence that the surname of Abbot Hugh was 'de Lacy', even though the
introduction and the index in the published edition of the Selby cartulary
use it. The error can be traced to Burton, who committed it for the first
time in 1758 [J. Burton, *Monastican Eboracense*, p 405]. Burton quoted as
his authority Dugdale's *Monasticon*, of nearly a century earlier, but
Dugdale only called him Abbot Hugh, with no surname -- and no
pre-Reformation account adds any surname either. Hugh de Lacy, as abbot of
Selby, is undoubtedly an eighteenth century promotion."

Ilbert married Hawise (De Lacy). Hawise was born in 1045; and died. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]